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Why do we so often think of the God of the New Testament as a God of LOVE and the God of the Old Testament as a God of WRATH, and yet insist they are one and the same? Going even further, doesn't the Bible claim that God never changes? ("I the LORD do not change." Malachi 3:6, and see also James 1:17.) So, why does a changeless God appear wrathful and angry in the Old Testament, but loving and patient in the New Testament? Is this the same God?
I think the answers to these questions lie in developing a better understanding of God's nature--not an easy or simple thing, but a very worthy pursuit, all the same. I don't have time to delineate ALL of God's characteristics--indeed, no one even knows all of them!--but for the purpose of answering this question, I think we can focus on five major ones: God's Holiness, God's Love, God's Justice, God's Mercy and God's Jealousy. (This post also assumes that God is also all-knowing, all-present and all-powerful, as well as the Creator of the universe and the Triune God--God the Father, God the Son [Jesus] and God the Holy Spirit.)
I will first briefly describe each characteristic individually and then I will compare the Old Testament with the New Testament to see if all three of these characteristics appear within them. Finally, I will address some of the major biblical examples for why God seems to have "gone soft" in the New Testament as compared to the Old and explain the real change that has taken place within how we now relate to God.
God's Holiness
Though some may disagree, I believe Holiness, not love is God's primary characteristic (if one could be chosen above the others). As defined by the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible, Holiness is: "Chief attribute of God and a quality to be developed in his people. 'Holiness' and the adjective 'holy' occur more than 900 times in the Bible. The primary OT word for 'holiness' means 'to cut' or 'to separate'. Fundamentally, holiness is a cutting off or separation from what is unclean, and consecration to what is pure."
God's Love
Though God is primarily holy, it was His characteristic of love that motivated Him to create man and woman, to initiate an intimate relationship with them (and us) and then, even after they (and we) turned their backs on Him in favor of becoming enslaved to sin and forfeit to Satan, to offer a means by which they might be rescued and returned into a harmonious & pure relationship with Him--by coming as Jesus Christ to give His life as a ransom for them and bridge the gap between a holy God and a sinful people. Godly love is perhaps best described in I Corinthians 13, but there are many, many passages in both the Old and New Testaments that praise God's loving nature.
God's Justice
Webster says that "Just" means: 1. adhering to what is fair, honest and moral, 2. rational and informed, 3. in accordance with correct principles, 4. agreeable to truth or fact, 5. given or awarded rightly, and 6. proper or right. The Bible describes God's justice as the quality that causes Him to be a righteous judge--rewarding righteousness and never allowing evil to go unpunished. To understand, then, how we--who are evil--can ever be forgiven instead of simply receiving his just punishment, we need to understand God's mercy:
God's Mercy
Webster says of mercy: "1. compassion shown toward an offender or an enemy, 2. a disposition to forgive or forbear..." Though God's characteristics of holiness and justice require that all sin be punished, His love and His mercy caused Him to provide a way for us to escape destruction and be reunited with Him, while still dealing with the issue of our sinfulness. In the Old Testament this was done through the sacrifice of an animal or through a scapegoat. In the New Testament this was done once and for all by Jesus Christ--God in the flesh--who willingly allowed Himself to be crucified in our place and then rose from the grave, evidencing God's power over both sin and the death penalty sin demands.
God's Jealousy
Though we often think of jealousy as an unfavorable quality, God exhibits a righteous jealousy--and a very active one, at that. Webster says that jealous means: 1. resentful and envious, as of someone's attainments, 2. fearful of losing another's affection, 3. troubled by suspicions of rivalry, unfaithfulness, etc., and 4. vigilant in guarding something. My favorite is the last definition, though the others could apply as well. God, like a man desperately in love with his wife, becomes very jealous when our affection--due rightfully to Him--strays onto other things, people or gods. He responds by being "vigilant in guarding" us from those things that would draw our love from Him--through warnings, punishments and great displays of His love and power. Eventually, though, we must choose: God's salvation or our own lusts?
Characteristic | Old Testament Example* | New Testament Example* |
Holiness | "...'Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy." (Lev. 19:2) | "...'Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.'" (Rev. 4:8) |
Love | "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness." (Jer. 31:3) | "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." (I John 4:8) |
Justice | "Be sure of this: The wicked will not go unpunished, but those who are righteous will go free." (Prov. 11:21) | "God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well." (2 Thes. 1:6-7a) |
Mercy | "Remember, O LORD, your great mercy and love, for they are from old." (Psalm 25:6) | "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved." (Eph. 2:4-5) |
Jealousy | "You shall not bow down to them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God...." (Exodus 20:5) | "You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of the demons too: you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons. Are you trying to arouse the Lord's jealousy?" (I Cor. 10:21-22a) |
* There are many more references in both the Old and New Testaments for these characteristics. I am providing only one example of each, though some of these verses mention more than one of these characteristics.
Has the God of the Old Testament Gone Soft?
As you can see from the above comparisons of God's primary characteristics, both the Old and the New Testaments describe God in very similar terms. Obviously, this is the same God--so why does He seem to act differently in the Old Testament than He does in the New? It kind-of reminds me of parenting--with the first kid, you're on top of everything, but by the time you have the fourth or fifth, you tend to not care so much whether they eat a cookie before dinner or not. Is this what happened with God? Has He gotten tired and resigned Himself to "picking His battles"? Has God gone soft?
Here are some prime examples of God's wrath as displayed in the Old Testament:
The Flood:
In Genesis 6-8, God got so fed up with mankind that He decided to wipe them all out and start over, sparing only one family. Everyone died--men, women, children and all the animals of the land or air. (If that's not wrath, I don't know what is!)
Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed:
In Genesis 19, God got so sick of the stench of the sinfulness in these two cities that He rained down burning sulfur on them. (FYI: Burning sulfur will easily burn through metal. Yep! That would do it!)
The 10 Plagues on Egypt:
Exodus 7-11 describes some pretty horrible plagues God sent on the Egyptians to persuade them to free the Israelites from bondage, culminating in the deaths of all the firstborn sons of any family that didn't mark their door frames with the blood of a sacrificed lamb. But, wait... is this an example of His wrath toward the Egyptians or His great love and deliverance of the Hebrew people? Hmmm....
Destruction of the Canaanites:
Much of the Old Testament describes various ways the Canaanites and the other people groups of that region were attacked by the Hebrew people. In fact, God told them to wipe these people out completely—down to the last child and to even kill all their animals, though the Hebrews didn't completely obey this command.
After reading through all of that, anyone might tremble at the thought of this God who often seems content to heartlessly order the destruction of many. But, if one is willing to read further, he comes to the New Testament and it's like a breath of fresh air.
Here are some contrasting examples of how God appears loving in the New Testament:
Jesus' Miracles:
Jesus healed the sick, lame and the blind, fed hungry multitudes, cast out demons, and even raised the dead. (Ex.: man with leprosy: Matt. 8:1-4; sick and demon-possessed: Matt. 8:14-17 & 28-34; paralytic man: Matt. 9:1-8; a dead girl and a sick woman: Matt. 9:18-26; a two blind men and a mute/demon-possessed man: Matt. 9:27-33; fed 5,000: Matt. 14:13-21, etc.)
Jesus with the Children:
Jesus allowed the children to come to Him when the disciples were trying to shoo them away. (Matt. 19:14)
Jesus facing his enemies in the Garden of Gethsemane:
When Peter cut off a soldier's ear with his sword, Jesus told Peter to knock it off and healed the man. (Luke 22:49-51)
Jesus on the cross:
Not only did Jesus show mercy to one of the thieves being crucified along with him (despite His own enormous agony), He also asked God to forgive those who were crucifying Him. (Luke 23:26-43)
When recalling such stories to mind, the God of the Old Testament certainly seems much harsher than how God acted in the Person of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. However, I think we are forgetting two very important things. 1. There are some very fine, but often overlooked, examples of God's love in the Old Testament as well as His wrath in the New Testament (some of these are outlined below.) AND, 2. The way God interacted with those before Christ's death and resurrection was in accordance with the Old Covenant, while the way He interacted with them after Christ's resurrection was in accordance with the New Covenant--which we are currently enjoying. (Comparison to follow.)
God's Love in the Old Testament
Contrary to how we normally think of the Old Testament God, the most harmonious relationship God has ever had with man is described not in the New Testament, but in the Old. This was the relationship God had with man and woman (Adam and Eve) before they sinned. In that relationship, they actually walked in the Garden with God, spoke to Him face to face, conversed freely with Him and were naked before Him without feeling ashamed. (Genesis 2 & 3) Never again has man had such a free and open relationship with God. Not only does this picture show us something about humanity, but it shows us about God's original design--that of an intimate, open and free relationship between Himself and us--and of His inclination toward open revelation and communication, not the image of separation between God and man as shown through the rest of the Old Testament. In other words, God's natural inclination and desire is for an intimate, loving relationship with us--not a relationship of disunity, anger and wrath. Yet because of the Fall--the event in which dominion of this earth, first given to us by God, was handed over to Satan when in our free will we chose to disobey God--a chasm opened up between God and man. This chasm was not closed until Jesus came to pay the cost of our disobedience through His death and resurrection.
God's Wrath in the New Testament
Though Jesus has ushered in a new era of openness between God and man, we often make the mistake of thinking He has lightened up when it comes to the issue of sin. I can assure you that in this regard God has not changed! God is still holy! God is still just! Sin will still be punished! If you take a good look at Jesus and His teachings throughout the Gospels, you will find that never does He gloss over the issue of sin. In fact, He goes even deeper, requires even more and demands higher standards than even the religious zealots and legalists of the day. No, He does not require legalistic ritual, but rather purity of heart--something the Law cannot govern--something that is between God and man alone. For example, the Law said "Do not commit adultery", but Jesus said, "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matt. 5:28) The Law requires action, but God requires a loving heart, for God knows that if you love Him, you will obey Him. (John 14:23-24) Another good example of God's wrath in the New Testament is in the story of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-11 who were struck dead by God when they lied to God. So, no! God has certainly NOT gone soft!
NOTE: God's wrath, when shown in either New or Old Testaments, is always in response to at least one of the following: a form of idolatry (putting self or something else above God), willful sin or hypocrisy. His wrath is triggered when His desire for a love relationship with a pure people is thwarted by sin, thus igniting His righteous jealousy.
Below is a very basic outline of the differences between the Old and New Covenants. (Hebrews 8-11 describes it better.)
Old Covenant | New Covenant | |
Given Through | Abraham | Jesus Christ |
When | Abraham to the Messiah | For all time. |
What | The Law given to the Jews by God that told them how to set themselves apart in obedience to Him. | Grace given to men through the death and resurrection of Jesus through which they might be reconciled to God. |
Ramifications | Was only for the Jews. | Was for all men. |
Had to make animal sacrifices. | Jesus was the ultimate, once and for all sacrifice for yesterday, today and forever. | |
Life under the Law. (Cleanliness rituals, circumcision, etc.) | Live under grace. (Jesus didn't revoke the law; He fulfilled the Law.) | |
Were separated from God while awaiting the Messiah to bridge the gap between them and God's presence. | Jesus, the Messiah, had come! He bridged the gap; the curtain was torn in two (symbolizing that man and God no longer had to remain separated. Mark 15:38) | |
External influence only of the Holy Spirit. | The Holy Spirit actually indwells the believer, allowing Christ to live through him or her and granting them access to Christ's righteousness and power. |
As you can see, the relationship between man and God seems much more strained in the Old Testament because they were still covered in their sin. God and man were still separated by the sinfulness--the uncovered impurity of their hearts. They were under the Old Covenant--under the Law, not under grace. Remember, God is holy--"separated" or "cut off" from anything impure. It is His nature--His primary characteristic and thus He cannot go against His own holiness or He wouldn't be God! But, because of His great love--described first and best in the Old Testament--He decided to make a way for us to again be reconciled to Him--through Jesus Christ.
The God of the Old Testament--complete with vengeful wrath and fists full of destruction--is the SAME God as the God of the New Testament, who laid His life down as a ransom for many. His holiness, love, justice, mercy and jealousy are fully intact today.
Perhaps the best picture of both God's holy wrath and His love is this one, which appears in the Old Testament:
"For this is what the high and lofty One says--he who lives forever, whose name is holy: 'I live in a high and holy place, but also with him who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite. I will not accuse forever, nor will I always be angry, for then the spirit of man would grow faint before me--the breath of man that I have created. I was enraged by his sinful greed; I punished him, and hid my face in anger, yet he kept on in his willful ways. I have seen his ways, but I will heal him; I will guide him and restore comfort to him..." (Isaiah 57:15-18)
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Hi Susan,
Thank you for your post and the time you spent working on it. It helped me in my questioning.
But still there's some things that God did : like when he sent a bad spirit on the Egyptian Pharaon to harden his heart and show his power over the egyptian people.
I mean wasn't there some innocent people among egyptians that didn't deserve this kind of suffering ? Were all jewish people really better than some egyptians ? And condemning the pharaon to show His power is it really just ? I mean he did bad things like every other humans... and even today people like Nicky Cruz (just to give an example) who did act badly were saved, so it's quite unfair in a certain way to let people be used to show your magisty and others be saved.
Ok we don't know their heart but from my human point of view I sometimes ask myself is God so Just ?
He's using every possible way to bring Men back to him... Ok. But isn't it being selfish too ? Jealousy can bring selfishness.
Along all those years he has seen man voluntarily desobeying him despite all His efforts, so why to persevere ?
And even if we are saved by Jesus our nature is still sinfull so how can he be sure that we won't desobey him in next life ? Are we also going to die like Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-11 as soon we desobey him ? So he's producing huge quantity hoping to get quality, knowing that our nature since Adam and Eve is sinful and has got worse with ages ? It's like saying to a horse to walk when he's used to gallop.
Can we really hope to get as holy as God before dying ?
I have plenty of other questions but I think that these are already enough for tonight :)
I would understand if you can't answer them, but it would for sure make me happier if i could get some answers.
Vince, you have a great many wonderful questions--questions that are very important and, I admit, I struggled with at one time as well. I will work on a response for you and have it up within a day or two. This time, though, it will be here, in the comments area, instead of entered as a blog post.
Vince,
Your questions seem to echo the very questions asked by Job—a man who suffered greatly—and did so because God Himself allowed it to prove a point. What was that point? God gives and God takes away. God is sovereign. God’s purposes are greater than our purposes. God’s ways are not our ways. God doesn’t think the way we think. He is not a man. He is not human. He is an omnipotent Being.
God answered Job’s question with another question: “Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone—while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?... Have you ever given orders to the morning, or shown the dawn its place?... Have you journeyed to the spring of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you?...Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?...” and then, through Job chapters 38-41 He questions Job’s authority and then gives evidence of His power and majesty over all the earth and all that dwell in it. (A very good read, by the way. I suggest you take a look at it.) It’s also important to understand that the book of Job was written by Moses and its first readers were most likely the Israelite slaves just after they had been delivered from years of bondage to Egypt. Don’t you think they might have had some of these same questions? And, yet, to them, anything God cared to do about Pharaoh was probably welcome. …Which leads me to your first question:
You said:
“But still there's some things that God did : like when he sent a bad spirit on the Egyptian Pharaoh to harden his heart and show his power over the egyptian people.
I mean wasn't there some innocent people among egyptians that didn't deserve this kind of suffering ? Were all jewish people really better than some egyptians ? And condemning the pharaoh to show His power is it really just ? I mean he did bad things like every other humans... and even today people like Nicky Cruz (just to give an example) who did act badly were saved, so it's quite unfair in a certain way to let people be used to show your magisty and others be saved.”
Why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart?
It’s important to note that nowhere in the Bible are people’s “hearts hardened” unless they have already decidedly and habitually turned their backs on God. In fact, several passages refer to Pharaoh hardening his own heart. Even at that, though, the question remains: Why would God—who has given us free will—strip it away? There are (at least) three answers to that question. 1. Because, after repeated rejection, God has been known to retract His offer of salvation to that individual (and, sometimes, to entire cities or, as in the Flood, the majority of the earth’s population). 3. Because God’s warnings to repent and return to Him (often multiple) have been repeatedly ignored—the people essentially shaking their fists in God’s face—and God is fed up. And, 3. Because God has a greater purpose in store for others who have been effected by this willful hardening.
Look at Exodus 14:17a where God is explaining to Moses how He will protect them from Pharaoh’s advancing army by causing the waters of the Red Sea (a.k.a. Reed Sea) to part:
“I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians [the pursuing Egyptian army] so that they will go in after them [the fleeing Israelites].”
Seem mean? But, now look at the rest of that verse and the next one:
“And I will gain glory through Pharaoh and all his army, through his chariots and his horsemen. The Egyptians will know that I am the LORD when I gain glory through Pharaoh, his chariots and his horsemen.”
Did you see that? “The Egyptians will know that I am the LORD…” Who was God doing this for? We tend to think the plagues and the miracles were all for the Israelites, but it is plain that a big part of God’s purpose was to show Himself to the Egyptians as well. When we look further and understand the kind of man Pharaoh was—self-serving, tyrannical and a man who promoted detestable idol-worshipping practices—it seems clear that God was doing the best possible thing He could do for the Egyptian people. He was showing Himself to them! Now, remember, if God is truly good and loving, and also the ONLY way these people could know forgiveness and freedom from their sin—then the very best thing He can do for them is to show Himself to them and see if they will be willing to respond this time.
As you said, sometimes it seems that good people everywhere are suffering while evil people seem to get away with atrocities… which brings me to your next statement:
“Ok we don't know their heart but from my human point of view I sometimes ask myself is God so Just ?”
God is just, but His timing is not our timing. Referring back to one of the verses I used in the post:
"Be sure of this: The wicked will not go unpunished, but those who are righteous will go free." (Prov. 11:21)
Sometimes God’s justice seems slow in coming, but we must remember that God’s primary purpose is not to punish, but to save.
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” (II Peter 3:9)
If God didn’t give the wicked (yes, including you and me!) every possible chance to change their minds and be reconciled to Him, He wouldn’t be the God of love we know Him to be. It is only after a continual refusal of His love and forgiveness, that He withdraws that offer. Many believe that these people would never have turned anyway, and at that point God decides to either eliminate them (as He did to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah) or use them for another purpose (as He did with Pharaoh.) So, while He’s giving everyone a chance to return to Him, wickedness seems to get worse and worse. There are times when He has stepped in to curb that, but the Bible tells us there is going to be a continuing trend toward depravity until He comes back. Not good news, but since we (Adam and Eve) handed over dominion of the earth (given to them by God in Genesis 1:28-29) to Satan (Genesis 3)—essentially telling God to get out of our lives, we could handle it on our own—God has taken a step back and the harmony we once shared with Him is no longer available. …But it will be in time….
You said:
“He's using every possible way to bring Men back to him... Ok. But isn't it being selfish too? Jealousy can bring selfishness.”
Righteous jealousy (not to be confused with the jealousy we often abuse) is a godly quality, but the trait of selfishness can never be applied to God. Let me explain: Selfishness is when we take or desire for ourselves something that belongs to someone else (material possessions, recognition, power, etc.). If you are God—the omnipotent Creator, perfectly pure in every way, full of love and abounding in mercy—the kind of God that excels at redeeming chaos and wickedness and bringing salvation to people who are in bondage to sin—then doesn’t this make you worthy of all glory, honor and praise? Doesn’t everything, by very definition, already belong to you—is owed to you—exists because of you? In fact, wouldn’t it be a disservice to your created beings, in this case, to allow or encourage the worship of anything else other than you, since you know that only you can keep them from utter destruction? It isn’t selfishness that drives God’s desire for our hearts and our wellbeing; it is love.
Finally, you also said:
“Along all those years he has seen man voluntarily disobeying him despite all His efforts, so why to persevere? And even if we are saved by Jesus our nature is still sinful so how can he be sure that we won't disobey him in next life? Are we also going to die like Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-11 as soon we disobey him? So he's producing huge quantity hoping to get quality, knowing that our nature since Adam and Eve is sinful and has got worse with ages? It's like saying to a horse to walk when he's used to gallop. Can we really hope to get as holy as God before dying?”
You are right that we have a sin nature and that, even after we are saved, we struggle with temptation and sometimes fail. However, if you understand the concept of what Jesus did for us on the cross, all of these fears should go away. Here’s why: When Jesus died for us, He took all of our sins upon Himself—not just the ones that had already been committed, but all the sins that would ever be committed.
“Unlike the other high priest, he [Jesus] does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once and for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.” (Heb. 7:27-28)
Once you accept Jesus as your personal Savior—believing in Him and committing yourself and your life to Him—you are HIS. Ephesians 4:30 says we are “sealed”—or marked as belonging to God. John 10:28 says that no one can snatch us out of God’s hand, and Romans 8:35 asks, “Who can separate us from the love of God?”
Once you accept Jesus payment for your sins—His death in your place—you are no longer relying on your own righteousness. You are now relying on Jesus’ righteousness. Jesus’ righteousness has become your righteousness in the eyes of God—kind-of like an umbrella effect. 2 Corinthians 5:21 says, “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” This is how we know we are completely forgiven and how we know we will not be struck dead for the mistakes we make. And as far as being as holy as God before we die, this is the only way to accomplish that—to let Jesus be our holiness for us. No, we who are saved are not perfect—at least not yet—but we are forgiven. And, once we get to heaven, sin will no longer be an issue. We will be in God’s presence. We will be made perfect in Him. However, even before then sin doesn’t have to be an issue for us. That is to say, though we will be tempted, we have a choice of whether or not to sin. As children of God and as vessels of God’s Holy Spirit—having Jesus living in us and through us—we have access to Christ’s power to have victory over sin. It is not something we can do on our own, but if we fully trust in Jesus, He offers us deliverance from temptation and the sin we would otherwise commit. It is our love for Jesus that encourages our obedience (John 14:23-24) and that also gives us the desire to persevere in obedience and growth.
Vince, if you haven’t yet accepted Christ as your Savior and Lord, then I encourage you to do so today; however, if you are already His child, then you have nothing to fear. You are OK! You are greatly loved and God and His angels rejoice over you! You may fail. You may even struggle with habitual sin, but that does not make God love you any less. It will, however, put up a barrier within your relationship with Him, bring about very unpleasant circumstances and make you ineffective in His kingdom. If this is the case, I encourage you to confess any known sin and rededicate yourself to Him. Ask Him to give you the strength, willingness and desire to follow Him. Then STOP whatever you are doing that you know would displease Him. If you aren’t sure or if you don’t know how, seek the Scriptures, pray and ask for godly counsel, but remember that there is nothing on this earth that is worth sacrificing your relationship with the God of the universe.
I hope this answered some of your questions. I don’t claim to be all-wise or all-knowing, but I want you to know that I prayed about your questions before answering and I studied God’s Word. In the process He showed me some new things as well, and for that I thank you. I want to encourage you to keep seeking to know God. He has many marvelous things to show you about Himself and about who He made you to be. I’ll leave you with my favorite verse:
“If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.” James 1:5
Hi Susan,
and thank you so much.
You really helped me and I'm happy that God showed you some new things while you spent time answering my questions.
I already accepted Jesus but as God says Hosea 4 :6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" and I lack knowledge, reading and meditating the bible entirely.
And I still find difficulties in knowing how to face some situations in life... Some Christian Friends told me I'm too hard on myself. That I should be able to enjoy life too, but I don't want to make something wrong in the eyes of God... so I overthink. I'm afraid to "disappoint" God. I don't want to be relatively good if I can get better. I usually take the example of Paul who is very strict about his way of living...
God says that we can't love both this sinful world and Him. So my biggest struggle at the moment is: Is it possible to enjoy life during our stay here ? And in what circomstances ? which limits ?
I'm not asking you to answer this question. You already helped me a lot and I can't keep asking you all the time but if you feel like it might an interesting subject or you like answering this kind of questions...
Anyway, thank you very much for your answers which are very well structured and pertinent.
You really helped me out.
God bless you and your family,
Vince
Vince,
I'm so glad God showed you some things through this blog. That is my greatest wish and the reason I write.
I am so glad to hear that you have already accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior. That is the most important decision you will ever make in your life.
You mentioned Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." That verse was written to the Jews who had rejected God and followed pagan gods. Though the knowledge of God is important and should be sought, this verse was not written to you. None of us knows all there is to know about God. That is why He gave us the Bible--which is "living and active" (Hebrews 4:12). Unlike any other book, the Holy Spirit can speak directly to you through its pages when you are open to hearing from Him. So, when you read the Bible, ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate knowledge and wisdom. Spiritual learning is very interactive. In fact, even if there is no one else who will teach you the correct things of God, the Holy Spirit alone can and will do so(I John 2:27).
You said:
"I still find difficulties in knowing how to face some situations in life..."
That's a problem that is common to all of us, but as Christians, we have the ultimate resource for all wisdom--the Holy Spirit. See James 1:5-8. Ask for wisdom--either in general or about a specific thing--and then read the Scriptures, pray and ask several godly people for counsel and see what begins to happen around you. If you don't know what God is saying, wait until you do. Then, when you think you hear from God, compare that message with what you find in the Bible. This is how you learn and how you begin to experience God in your life. (In fact, I recommend the study "Experiencing God" by Henry Blackaby. It's excellent!)
You said:
"Some Christian Friends told me I'm too hard on myself. That I should be able to enjoy life too, but I don't want to make something wrong in the eyes of God... so I overthink. I'm afraid to "disappoint" God. I don't want to be relatively good if I can get better. I usually take the example of Paul who is very strict about his way of living..."
There is a fine line between discipline and wallowing in guilt. It is good to live a disciplined, self-controlled life, but if you are trying to do that on your own power rather than on Christ's strength, then you will fail and become disillusioned. You will also run the risk of becoming legalistic--looking to laws and rules and your own righteous acts to make you acceptable in God's sight rather than to Jesus Christ's payment for your sin. Remember, "all of our righteous acts are like filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6) Jesus took all of your problems and dealt with them on the cross. Don't take them back from His hands and allow yourself to feel guilt over something that has already been forgiven. That's not to say we can sin freely--doing so would be evidence that we have no love for Christ and would be hurtful to Him.
You said:
"God says that we can't love both this sinful world and Him. So my biggest struggle at the moment is: Is it possible to enjoy life during our stay here ? And in what circomstances ? which limits ?"
There are certain set limits in the Bible as to our behavior, such as keeping the marriage bed pure, refraining from lying and ugly speech, not allowing ourselves to become dependent on anything except God, etc... However, the beauty of grace is freedom--the freedom to act out of our great love for Jesus Christ without worrying so much about the "rules". I'm not saying we can break the rules, but if you are acting out of a pure love for Jesus, you won't even be tempted to break the rules and so those rules won't feel like such frightful burdens to you. Remember, you have life under GRACE, not life under the LAW. This was purchased for you on the cross. Don't concentrate on avoiding sin--concentrate on developing your relationship with Jesus Christ. If you have a healthy relationship with Him, avoiding sin will become much, much easier.
So, YES!--to answer your question. We CAN and SHOULD enjoy our stay here! You have the "joy of the Lord"!
Nehemiah 8:10 says, "Nehemiah said, 'Go and enjoy choice food and sweet drinks, and send some to those who have nothing prepared. This day is sacred to our Lord. Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength.'"
Hey Susan,
I just want to thank you. I really feel a change. God really talked to me through you.
Your posts are awesome. What people tried to tell me I finally found and understood here. There're things that you said which appeared like deja vu for me, but the way you would bring them into discussion would make me see it in another angle from the one I was used too.
"You will also run the risk of becoming legalistic--looking to laws and rules and your own righteous acts to make you acceptable in God's sight rather than to Jesus Christ's payment for your sin."
I now realize this is what I've been through even if I was already aware of it : many times I heard people going through that phase.
I did accept Jesus but still didn't want to accept the fact that I was filthy. I was trying to convince myself that I wasn't so bad ; in my thoughts accepting this idea would make me unworthy of being God's Son. How can I be His son when being so different ? I was like saying to God : "see what I can do. I'm not so bad !"
Remember, "all of our righteous acts are like filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6)
And this sentence must be the one which really made me realize how wrong I was thinking I could bring a change on my own.
"I'm not saying we can break the rules, but if you are acting out of a pure love for Jesus, you won't even be tempted to break the rules and so those rules won't feel like such frightful burdens to you."
I still don't feel this point talks to me entirely.
The best way I can interpret this sentence at the moment is : living freely under GRACE means doing whatever I want, enjoy life... since I don't feel from the bottom of my heart that what I'm doing is wrong.
But it may occur that I feel not bad about sth and God seeing it wrong. So relying on what my heart tells me might not be enough.
So how to keep gaining in holiness ?
Reading the bible and getting knowledge of what God sees good or bad : God's LAWs.
But still how to apply these LAWS without being hard with myself ?
I have to wait for the Holy Spirit to work in me and change my way of thinking ? Then one day, I'll just wake up and feel like I need to make a change in this domain of my life ?
You might have some good guidance for that in some of your posts. I'll check that then.
Thank you once more.
God bless you !
Vince
Vince! Praise God for how He is speaking to you! That is very exciting for me to see!
I do want to respond to a couple of things you said, but also to direct you to the section on this blog called "The Nature of Faith" under "Posts on Searching for God". That post describes what faith in God really is and how it is applied and developed through our relationship with Him.
You said:
"But it may occur that I feel not bad about sth and God seeing it wrong. So relying on what my heart tells me might not be enough."
You're right. What your heart tells you is not enough. Jeremiah 17:9 says, "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" You don't rely on your heart--in fact, you don't rely on yourself at all. You rely completely on God and on what His Word says. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts of sin, not ourselves. But, the Holy Spirit doesn't always do that through feelings of guilt. Often, that is done through the Bible. If you see that the Bible says something is wrong and you are doing that something that is wrong--that is the "conviction"--the recognition of sin. Whether or not you are feeling badly about it is inconsequential. What matters is what you decide to do about it: obey or disobey? (For more on this go to "Should Experience of Feelings be a Basis for Faith?" under "Posts on Becoming a Christian".)
You said:
"So how to keep gaining in holiness ?
Reading the bible and getting knowledge of what God sees good or bad : God's LAWs."
No. You don't have to gain holiness. You already have holiness! You have Jesus! HE is your holiness. You are not trying to make yourself better; you are letting Christ make you better. See the difference? This is a relationship, not a religion. It is based on Grace, not Works. Getting to know the Bible, though, is extremely important. If you don't know God's message--His Love Letter--to you, how will you get to know Him? Mostly, though, I think you are wanting to know how to identify God's will for your life. Here's God's will for your life: That you love Him with all your mind, heart, soul and strength. (Luke 10:27) THAT'S IT! If you are doing that, you not only WILL NOT SIN, but the Holy Spirit will teach you all you need to know--through the Bible, the prayer, through God's Church and through experience as you obey Him.
God's will is so much broader than all of our petty decisions. He doesn't care so much which school you go to or what kind of car you drive. Not that God isn't interested in the details of our lives, but unless He specifically asked you to do something or not to do something and you disobey, then you are not sinning. Again, the way you know these things is through your relationship with God.
You asked:
"But still how to apply these LAWS without being hard with myself ?"
Your relationship is like a marriage. If you were doing all you could to pour your love out on your wife, what would you have to feel badly about? Even if you unknowingly neglected to do something or did something that hurt her feelings, you wouldn't have to feel bad--just change it. You can't change what you don't know; but, once you do know what God wants from you, obey immediately. Guilt and worry shouldn't come into this at all. Those are things Satan uses to rob you of your joy and make you ineffective for Christ.
You said:
"I have to wait for the Holy Spirit to work in me and change my way of thinking ?"
Yes! Romans 12:2 says, "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will."
You asked:
"Then one day, I'll just wake up and feel like I need to make a change in this domain of my life ?"
Maybe, but more likely you will discover those things little by little as you get to know God through reading the Bible, prayer, the Church and experience. In my experience, God usually alerts us a little bit at a time to more and more areas in our lives that we have not fully surrendered to Him. He does this because He knows we need time to learn, adjust and grow. Growth and conviction can be very painful, but it is also a delight. It is a delight to know that God is taking the time to work on me and is providing the strength I need in the process. It is also a delight to look back over the years and see how far He has brought me and how patient He has been with me. So, if God is only working on you in one area of your life, that's because that is all you can handle at that moment. Focus on giving that completely over to God and don't worry about anything else until God brings it to your attention. If He's not worried, why should you be?
Let me leave you with this encouragement: Your joy and peace and freedom are gifts from God. He bought them for you on the cross. Now, Satan, has no claim on your soul (much to his disappointment), but if he can rob you of the other gifts God freely gave you, he will. All this worry that you are experiencing is not a coincidence. You are in a spiritual battle. But, don't worry. God has equipped you will all you need to fight and win this battle and any others that come your way. Read Ephesians 6:10-20 about the Armor of God. Look at each individual item carefully and check to make sure you are wearing ALL of the pieces, because if you miss even one, that is where Satan will strike. Then, rejoice in the freedom God has given you! Satan has NO power over you! You belong to Christ and Christ alone! And then, don't relinquish ground to the enemy! Where is this battle taking place? In your mind! But Jesus is there, too, fighting for you.
II Cor. 10:5 says, "We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
And, remember,
Philippians 4:6-7 says, "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition,
with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."
Hopefully this will provide some further encouragement to you, and I hope you may find more in the other posts on this site. I greatly enjoy hearing your thoughts and searching the Scriptures with you for wisdom on these things!
God bless you, my dear brother.
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